I'm sure everyone has heard about the DVS and SOCIETY merger, and ofcourse the now public 'war' between ironghost and cool guy. This article will attempt to clear a few things up, and present a neutral view on happenings..

Why did DVS and SOCIETY agree to merge?

So why did both parties agree to merge in the first place? Since Society's conception last year, it's fair to say it has been too popluar. Most of scene attribute this bad reputation to their first president, Arch Angel. Since this time, Society, even though sporting some great talent, has had nothing but bad 'vibes' sent their way from the rest of the underground community.

Even the signing of names like kelthar and creator (previous members), and there own webpage and url, couldn't save the group from scrutiny.

Cool Guy, senior with DVS, said this when approached as to the reasons behind the merger.

The idea behind the merge was to kill two birds with one stone, to get rid of the Society rep, and to give DVS some talented artists. Society would announced their demise, and DVS would mysteriously gain some new artists. Thus, the merge had to be kept secret, otherwise DVS would fall into the same pit Society had already dug itself.

For some reason, Cool Guy told Ironghost about the merger between the two groups. Cool Guy and Ironghost had had disagreements before, though they had seemingly dispersed. It did turn out that way..

Below is an excerpt from the conversation between Cool Guy and Ironghost:

<Cool Guy>
hmm, are you going to tell people?

<Ironghost>
no

<Cool Guy>
I mean... this is very sneaky/serious shit

<Ironghost>
I'm promise cross my heart hope to die

<Cool Guy>
And if it gets out to ANYONE

<Ironghost>
Stick a needle in my eye, i won't tell I PROMISE..

<Cool Guy>
It'll fuck up so much shit its unbelievable...

Ok, hmm.. Well, basically, we are merging DVS and society... in order to get rid of soc's bad name...

<Ironghost>
Is dvs a standing group?

<Cool Guy>
And we're just playing it like I quit soc because I was fed up, and soc died right afterwards...

Yes, its been around for 5 years:)

<Ironghost>
What have they done.. i've never heard of tehm

<Cool Guy>
I don't expect it to die any time soon..

Join #dvs..

Well, they went into dormancy for the past 2 years, but they're cool..

<Ironghost>
What have they released?

<Cool Guy>
They released a preliminary pack last month or so, but we hope to do some wicked assed shit with them. It'll be phearsome most hopefully

<Ironghost>
So you're going to drop some of the member of soc and then merge the remaining into dvs?

<Cool Guy>
Well, basically...

<Ironghost>
Who're you droping?

<Cool Guy>
Dunno, we'll see...

<Ironghost>
The motives sound sincere enough..why keep it secret..just say that there's a limited merger of dvs and soc

<Cool Guy>
Well, because the memory of society has to be completely erased from the scene. Everyone hated it for NO reason at all, we can't let that continue... So we're merging it and saying it died, so people won't carry on with dvs and give IT trouble..

<Ironghost>
Awh.. we'll there was always the dumb glue vs soc thing, with archangel and shit..

<Cool Guy>
Yeah... That's why we have to kill it. Another reason is... because our takeover part will still exist... as part of DVS, but no one will know about it... and that's why I couldn't tell you, only dvs seniors and members of the takeover faction will know about it really..

What happened?

After this conversation took place, Ironghost released the capture to the public. Now that caused serious trouble. It's fair to say that Cool Guy doesn't trust Ironghost anymore, we can say that.. heh..

Now, how did this affect the merge between DVS and Society? The only section of Society to merge with DVS, is the art division, not the entire group as planned. Why this is so, is unknown to the writer.

Ironghost vs. Cool Guy?

Below are two 'interviews' with both of the main parties involved with the dispute, telling their sides of the stories.

Cool Guy:

<Dangermouse>
We all know that ironghost releasing that .txt file basically fucked up the merge between DVS and Society, can I ask why you chose to tell him about it? I mean, you two had had your differences in the past?

<Cool Guy>
Actually, I thought we were both cool. I was under the impression that we were friends, obviously I was wrong. I have no clue WTF his problem is, but something big must be up his ass..

<Dangermouse>
So how exactly did the release of the conversation capture rupture the merging process?

<Cool Guy>
Well, it was supposed to be a secret... because many people didn't like soc, and we wanted to like, make people forget about it, so we could release and get on with life.. But some people think that they want to further soc's troubles even in its death... So I guess it sucks:( But we're doing ok now, and dvs is doing fine..

<Dangermouse>
Why did only the art division of Society merge with DVS, instead of the entire group as planned?

<Cool Guy>
Because... we didn't want the 2 sections together, takeover and art aren't too good together

<Dangermouse>
Didn't Society have like, Trackers & Coders too?

<Cool Guy>
Well, sorta, many of our members left though, because the scene put WAY too much pressure on it

<Dangermouse>
So, where is DVS going from here?

<Cool Guy>
Hopefully somewhere:) We are doing fairly well, DVS has been around like 5 years you know...

Ironghost:

<Dangermouse>
Ok, so by now everyone knows about the little war between you (one ironghost) and him (one cool guy).. Ok, so cool guy comes along and tells you all about the merger between DVS and Society.. And you spend half of the text (cool guy's words) assuring him you'd tell no-one..

Can I ask, why did you spread the .txt file around? Surely you realised how it would fuck up the merging process?

<Ironghost>
Well 3 out of 116 lines is 2.5%

<Dangermouse>
Yes, but it added more drama to it :)

<Ironghost>
But it's a blatent attempt to discredit me.. and another thing i've never really been friends with coolg if you talk to anyone i was putting up with him, but i never was going around expressing our friendship..

Anyways .. cg is telling me all this bs about how takeover groups are necessar for his group to survive, that it's a "resource" to the group, and i was sitting there laughing the whole time trying to persuade him to keep the crap out of teh ansiscene, so i logg'd it because of the importence he stressed on this conversation..

uhmm okay .. then as you know i went on a calling spree because i was bored, i called acoylte, others, i think i was talking to retributn and was tellng him about this stuff cg was talking about, he said something to cg , cg starts threatening me over irc, i've been having a bad week.. i release the text file.. cg icmps me for quite a while.. if i counted right 9 hours..and after i talked to xavii who told cg that i was loggin his icmp floods xavii wa. cg's botnet was taken over or something he claims, and that's about it..

<Dangermouse>
Well, the merger still went ahead, but only the Art Division of Society merged with DVS..

<Ironghost>
Or so they said.. cg is bad mouthing me and his "botnet was taken" that probably had more to do with the merger not being "complete" then my text file. And also there aren't many soc guys merging into dvs

<Dangermouse>
yeah

<Ironghost>
any other questions?

<Dangermouse>
not really man.. thanks..

<Ironghost>
If you need my response to any other interviews or want an open debate..i'm up to it

<Dangermouse>
Cool guy and ig in the same room :) That'd be interesting to say the least.

<Ironghost>
But that's not much of a debate.. i don't feel cg can really carry through an intelligent / mature conversation

Opinions

What do members of DVS think about the matter?

<Beek>
i joined dvs like the day before yesterday as a tracker so i have no clue as to what the fuck is going on.. you can put that in :)

<Methane666>
I think that when someone forms a group, they should be able to do whatever the hell they want with it..and that the people around them and involved with them shouldn't tear them apart because of a conversation which was supposed to be between ironghost and cgeeee and not be made public..

Spot, acheron staff member, caught up with Nukedream, Hirez Coord of DVS:

<Spot>
Hey, hows it going?

<Nukedream>
Whats up.. Other than a fucking headache over all this shit, and a hangover, pretty good i guess.. heh

<Spot>
This wont be a normal interview... this is a quickie...

<Nukedream>
Alright, shoot..

<Spot>
Everyone by now knows about the shit Society plans to bring to head in the scene with the help of DVS.. (if you dont go read about it)

What posistion do you hold in DVS?

<Nukedream>
Hirez coord

<Spot>
Ok, so you have a great interest in the direction that the group is moving i assume?

<Nukedream>
Well, for the knowledge i have of the situation, i am very interested to find out wtf is going on in everyones heads about it

<Spot>
So, gimme a little background.... when was DVS formed, by who, and the shizznit...

<Nukedream>
Well, dvs was actually formed by nick (evil_e) about 4 years ago or so, and just recently re-formed with a lot of old members, as well as new.. Back in the day it was what we could call a second rate, bunch of friends type of group that pretty much released whenever it wanted

<Spot>
Have you released anything to date?

<Nukedream>
Have i, or dvs as a whole?

<Spot>
Dvs as a whole..

<Nukedream>
We've released one pack since the re-formation, and that was last months pack. We'll be releasing the april pack on the 10th i believe

<Spot>
Ok, so how much do YOU personally know about the current situation concerning the recently disbanded Society?

<Nukedream>
Not a whole lot.. mostly second hand information.. cgeeee wouldn't really say much about it personally when i asked. I'm really not making any decisions or anything like that until i talk to other dvs sr's and society members as well.. to get a total view of the picture

<Spot>
So far the scene seems to be showing a pretty annoyed attitude towards the recent happenings.... does it make you feel insecure about your group, knowing the leaders would risk the group's rep for something like this?

<Nukedream>
Well, yes and no

<Spot>
Can you explain...?

<Nukedream>
My first impressions of course were that of bewilderment and shock pretty much.. heh, because I had heard zilch about the shit that was going down, until it went down..

As for insecure... yeah, I'm wondering where to go now if all this doesnt work out for the better.. and worst yet, what if it puts a stigma on my name, as far as the mere association with dvs

<Spot>
What do you have to say about the rumors flying around #ansi about a large group of groups banding together aginst DVS (ex-Society) because of the current information..?

<Nukedream>
Rumors... just that, why would any long standing groups be afraid of something as insignifant as dvs?

<Spot>
I have noticed that many of the pioneers of the scene are worried that a group such as DVS would allow a group that is known to be involved with childish and immature actions such as takeovers and the like into their group.... it seems to defiy the whole point of the art scene in the first place.

<Spot>
What are your feelings on this?

<Nukedream>
It's all silly, art is art, hacking is hacking, they just dont mix... although they are closly associated with eachother in the underground movements, it's still not good to mix.. Things like this happen.. hhe

<Spot>
So, if DVS turns out to stand behind their new found "friends"(?) .. where will this leave you?

<Nukedream>
Well, hopefully it will leave me with a real art group... DVS has too much potential to let it go down like this

<Spot>
Will you support DVS further into this hole they seem to be falling into, or decide to pull out and pursue other options?

<Nukedream>
I've been in the scene for quite a while.. I've quit and come back, more than once... all i want is a cool group of friends that release art.. I want to just release my shit ya know... I really do not want to deal with childish bullshit

<Spot>
SO where does this leave you.... If society is allowed to stay with DVS and persues their current plans of taking over any and every channel they can get their hands on... will you stay with DVS and put up with the "childish bullshit"?

<Nukedream>
Well, of course it depends on how DVS handles the takeover faction... most likly no, I will not put up with the bullshit, the last thing i need is someone nuking me all the time, heh

<Spot>
Understood... Well nukedream, we difinitly thank you for taking the time to share your view... and hope everything turns out for the best....

<Nukedream>
Ya betcha.. heh, hopefully tomorrow i'll have a little more 411

<Spot>
Have a good night

<Nukedream>
Later mang