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necromancer
talking with necromancer,
founder and leader of Remorse.
Session
Start: Wed Mar 25 15:41:49 1998
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Necromancer:
BOOOOYAH
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Dangermouse:
Right, let's get going..
Necromancer:
Oh, word of warning, if I phase out momentarily, it's because
I'm at work, and I might have found a problem with one of
the servers or the network.
Dangermouse:
Ok, let's hear some vital statistics to get us going..
Necromancer:
Vital statistics? Ask me what you want to know, and I shall
answer. :)
Dangermouse:
Name, age, sex, hobbies, penis size?
Necromancer:
Mark Dunn aka Necromancer, age 18, male. Hobbies.. work. Driving
up to San Francisco State University to pick up my girlfriend.
I used to do a lot more, before I left high school. But alas,
real life made quite a change in my normal day to day patterns.
Penis
size? That's for me and my girlfriend to know. :)
Dangermouse:
Where do you work?
Necromancer:
Cirrus
Logic.
Dangermouse:
The video card people? No shit?
Necromancer:
Yeah, although our video cards suck ass. :) (.. graphics cards,
actually.)
Dangermouse:
The chief exec is with me right now..
Necromancer:
hahah
Dangermouse:
Your fired btw.. ;)
Ok,
down to business
Necromancer:
Bad typing day. I had that earlier.
Dangermouse:
You've been in the underground artscene for a long bloody
time now, since 1989-90, is it fair to say your one of the
'scene daddies'?
Necromancer:
Nope. I was a bystander at that point. I didn't really delve
into the art scene until I got onto some of the better boards,
a year or two later. But I've been around to see the history.
Been around to remember what we all had. And lost.
Dangermouse:
I notice in your "History of the Ascii Scene" article that
you knew a bit about the old Amiga ascii days, what do you
remember about those days? Was it much different from the
PC ascii scene?
Necromancer:
Yeah. The amiga ascii scene is worlds apart from the PC ascii
scene. Where we release in packs, they release as individuals
with their group name as a sort of "label." It's odd.
Dangermouse:
I also noticed its sort of still around, the amiga ascii scene,
as the Ascii Gazzette was released a few times..
Necromancer:
Yeah, the amiga ascii scene is still around. Not as active
as it once was, but.. still there, hanging on. Sort of like
all of us. :)
Yeah,
and xCz really does a good job with the Ascii Gazette. He
just released issue 13 a little while ago.
Dangermouse:
Yeah quite amazing.. How old would you say the Amiga Ascii
scene is now?
Necromancer:
Since the mid 80's.
Dangermouse:
Jeeze, much older than ours, and older than I thought..
Necromancer:
You have to realize that the amiga/C64 scene really predates
any PC scene we had. Christ, Razor was started in 1983, at
which time there was a LARGE Commodore 64 scene.
Dangermouse:
Oh i know, I used to have a Amstrad CPC 464 -- but we won'y
go there.. ;)
Necromancer:
hahaha
Dangermouse:
Ok, so around 91-92 I'm guessing you got involved with the
PC artscene.. In what way, through a group or?
Necromancer:
Through a BBS. I didn't get into a national group until Shiver
in 1994. But before that, I knew people, mainly. Because of
my art, I suppose. I knew Tinyz, Piromaniak.. I knew what
they wanted to do with their ascii, also.
Dangermouse:
What did you draw? ASCII?
Necromancer:
Well, at that time I did ascii and rip. I was going to join
ACiD for rip, but I decided that it took too much time to
draw one rip file.
See,
the scene has never been very kind to ascii artist. Because
that was my medium of choice, my acceptance into any major
artgroup was not a possibility, even though I knew most
of the founders of the groups at that time.
Dangermouse:
Now, Tinyz, he started Katharsis in 94.. What do you remember
of that? Did that spark the PC Ascii scene into life?
Necromancer:
Yeah, tZ's move to making KTS!Ascii a separate entity after
the true Katharsis (.. an Amiga warez group) died was what
sparked the ascii revolution of sorts. He released at first
in much the same manner as the amiga ascii groups, however.
With only him releasing, with Katharsis!Ascii as his label.
But
a couple of months after that, I believe it was KTS!Asc09
or so, he brought on other artists. And that's what started
most of it. Although previous to KTS!Ascii, Piromaniak had
released ascii with TRiBE. And was even listed as a full-fledged
member.
Dangermouse:
I never knew that, cool..
Necromancer:
Yeah. He drew their diz's, mainly.
Oh,
and you can't forget wBALLZ. Lots of ascii was released
in wBALLZ. Even though it was all joke ascii, it was still
ascii. :) Like the infamous Savage Dragon ascii done by
Piromaniak and Minor Threat. :) 400 lines of blue ascii
rain, and a little green 4 line stick figure with a green
mohawk. :) With a caption, "I should have brought a fuckin'
umbrella."
Dangermouse:
Bwahahaha..
Necromancer:
Yeah. And Khyron releasing Tea Spoon Woman 2 .. that was a
badass song. I think Hannibal Lecter released as YouR Mom
:) Or was tha Tempus Thales? Can't recall.
Dangermouse:
Do you remember that pack that released, and every ansi was
a RIP, and quite obviously so.. Shit, what was it called?
Necromancer:
I heard about that, actually. I visited their web page. :)
Don't recall the group name, though.
Dangermouse:
Neither do I.. Oh, did creator do it?
Necromancer:
The group? Nah. That's Avenge.
Dangermouse:
Nono, way before that..
Necromancer:
The group that kicked White Trash out as Senior. (HI WHITE
TRASH YOU WHORE!) I personally like Legion more. Maestro and
Lord Jazz lick ass.
Dangermouse:
I'd have to agree..
Necromancer:
Er.. kick ass. ;)
Dangermouse:
Haha, I'm sure they enjoy both, anyways..
Necromancer:
Ohhh... I know. Oh shit! I know what you're talking about!
Oh fuck.. that was around the time of TRiBE, wasn't it?
Dangermouse:
Umm.. Shit, i dunno.. I don't think it was that long ago
Necromancer:
That joke pack.. fuck. Not Onion, was it?
Dangermouse:
The pack was a complete take off of old acid pics and stuff
Necromancer:
No..
Dangermouse:
Umm..
Necromancer:
Hrmph. Speaking of joke stuff, RaD Man reminded me of Paradigm
and Doyadigm.
Dangermouse:
Yeah? I don't believe I've heard of that one..
Necromancer:
Take a look some time. Doyadigm was put out for the expressed
purpose of one thing: Making fun of Shihear Kallizhad/TafKaSk.
Dangermouse:
Ok, you were saying that in 1994 you joined Shiver, and I
suppose officially joined the scene? Did you enjoy having
TG as your prez?
Necromancer:
The Guardian was a great group coordinator. He knew what to
do, he was intelligent, and he knw what looked good. He also
had a purpose. To make the best group he could within the
space of one year. And then he would kill the group. And he
did just that. An Shiver was a good group, for what it was,
when it was.
That
was his reason. Trust me. :) Me and TG are buddies. We understand
each other. I know the real TG, I remember the real TG.
Everyone else with a few exceptions only know that "GAYASS
LOSER TG."
Dangermouse:
I'm buddies with rw, who also knows TG really well.. I understand
he has an online image of sorts. ie. He's completely diff.
online.. But he can go a tad too far sometimes I feel..
Necromancer:
Yeah. TG does that because he doesn't care. Because people
don't feel like knowing the real TG.
Dangermouse:
Ok, you also started Remorse in late 1994 along with Necronite..
Did you create the group to give KTS some direct competition?
Necromancer:
Nope. We just didn't feel we were good enough to get into
KTS. :) Which we weren't, not for a little while. But when
we started gaining more prominence and skill, they started
questioning their status as the #1 (and only) PC ascii group.
Dangermouse:
Tell me about the "THE-NME.TXT" file.. What was it about?
Necromancer:
That was KTS's response to us. That's about when they started
taking us as a serious threat. If you find that file, and
read it, you'll see that. :) We issue a rebuttal to that ascii
collection in .. RMRS-03.ZIP, I believe.
Dangermouse:
Talking of Remorse, can you give me detailed history of what
happened to Remorse from 1994 to the present date.. I understand
there were a few problems?
Necromancer:
The group was started in late 1994, after three packs I was
expelled from highschool and moved up to my mother's house
where I had no computer. At that point, Necronite was supposed
to assume control. That however, did not happen. Whodini and
Omicron controlled the group, with Whod acting as the figurehead.
They continued up until pack 5, when Whodini announced that
Remorse no longer existed, and he was starting his own group
called "Trank".
With
the death of Remorse came the birth of Trank, which was
composed mainly of ex-Remorse members. A Remorse II, if
you will. :) (.. Remorse:TNO, perhaps? *wicked grin*)
Anyway.
That was April of 1995. May? Whatever. April or May. I came
into ACiD at the beginning of 1996, when I had returned
to my father's house. RaD Man had asked me to run ACiD Ascii,
which at the time had been transferred from Christopher
Robin's hands (ex-Remorse, surprise) to kHz's hands. kHz
however, was killing it. Terry is a great artist, but not
the greatest coordinator. :)
Anyway.
I continued to run ACiD Ascii with a release date of every
three months, until October of 1996, when I found out that
Trank was dying. I was a member of Trank, and didn't like
that very much. So me and Whodini decided to merge ACiD
Ascii and Trank. We didn't want a regular merge, because
in a regular merger, one group loses it's identity and makes
the other group better. We wanted it to be a fair show of
respect from both sides. So we decided to change the identity
completely, but still stay as a part of ACiD, sort of like
the music division, pHluid. We couldn't decide what to name
it at first.. and then it went something like this:
<nECROM>
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
<Whodini> yeah.
<nECROM> Remorse.
And
that's how it got revived. :)
Dangermouse:
Haha, I thought for a minute whodini would say:
<whodini>
no, i was thinking about sex
Necromancer:
Like I always enjoy saying, there have only been two truly
successful revivals in artscene history, iCE and Remorse.
Dangermouse:
Ok, so what the remorse of today, is it much stronger than
the remorse of old?
Necromancer:
Yeah, the Remorse of today is stronger. More stable. Mainly
because I have more experience in running a group. Of course,
back in 1994 the artists seemed more loyal. We still have
the hardcore Remorse1981 to the death artists of course, but
they're more rare to come across now.
Dangermouse:
1981? People from that far back?
Necromancer:
Nah, 1981 is a secret code for certain Remorse members. :)
Dangermouse:
Well, I think we've covered everything.. Just another thing
though, do you think the scene has problems at the moment?
Necromancer:
Yeah. Inactivity, and false promises, mainly.
Dangermouse:
Another thing, what do you think of acheron.org? Any things
you think it could cover more?
Necromancer:
What do I think of it? How about this: How the hell do you
pronounce it? Is it AK-ER-ON or is it ASH-ER-ON? Or sort of
a squishy crunchy ACH-ER-ON? And what's it mean?
Dangermouse:
Ach-er-on..
Necromancer:
What could it cover more? Nothing. Ok, so it's the squishy
crunchy noise, but is it an AHHHHH or an AYYYYY CHERON?
Dangermouse:
It's actually said to be a river in greece, that in some parts
went underground.. It was said to lead the dead to hell..
'arrchheerrron',
more like 'ackeron'
Necromancer:
I thought that was the river Styx?
Dangermouse:
Fucks me, could be..
Necromancer:
Well whatever, it's a badass name.
Dangermouse:
I know it has something to do with hell..
Necromancer:
You could have named it "thatbigfieryhotplacethatburns.org"
:)
Dangermouse:
Welp anyways.. man, it's been great talking to you about stuff..
Necromancer:
Sorry if I wasn't entertaining or anything. :(
Bye
bye TUFFY!
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